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[Chris Nero] 18:01:55

on this one, Jason. Take the long way on.

[Chris Nero] 18:01:57

I hate that song.

[Chris Nero] 18:02:06

Why would you do that?

[Chris Nero] 18:02:13

You're right to go.

[Chris Nero] 18:02:14

Alright, so I don't know who's gonna be here, but whoever's here is here.

[Chris Nero] 18:02:19

Um, I think we should give…

[Chris Nero] 18:02:23

since I'm always… never… never on time.

[Chris Nero] 18:02:28

fashionably late.

[Chris Nero] 18:02:32

We can give another…

[Chris Nero] 18:02:35

I don't know if Damon's gonna be here, he might be working at the fire.

[Chris Nero] 18:02:39

I know Nicole's not gonna be here.

[Chris Nero] 18:02:42

Uh, I don't know if a bar will be here.

[Chris Nero] 18:02:51

I'm always happy with the strong 6.

[Chris Nero] 18:02:56

That's my point.

[Chris Nero] 18:03:00

And really, um…

[Chris Nero] 18:03:03

You all are the strong hold

[Chris Nero] 18:03:08

Uh, I sent…

[Chris Nero] 18:03:09

I sent some 1099s, because Damon asked.

[Chris Nero] 18:03:13

Uh, but if you look at those 1099s, that's how…

[Chris Nero] 18:03:17

You can pay yourself.

[Chris Nero] 18:03:19

As a trustee.

[Chris Nero] 18:03:22

You can pay yourself, like, I don't know, $10,000 a month using the 1099.

[Chris Nero] 18:03:27

Uh, NEC.

[Chris Nero] 18:03:29

So you get a chance to look it over.

[Chris Nero] 18:03:34

And you should all be paying yourself.

[Chris Nero] 18:03:36

trustee fees, because…

[Chris Nero] 18:03:38

Every day you wake up, you're doing something for your uppercase trust.

[Chris Nero] 18:03:43

Every day.

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 18:03:46

Not just that, Chris, all the stuff we do in the meantime.

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 18:03:51

ink, paper, and all this, back and forth, you know?

[Chris Nero] 18:03:54

Well, yeah, yeah, everything. I mean, you have to… you have to remember that you are, by proxy,

[Chris Nero] 18:04:03

your sister is incapacitated.

[Chris Nero] 18:04:07

She can't move, she can't talk, she can't walk, everything you have to do.

[Chris Nero] 18:04:12

That means you gotta get up,

[Chris Nero] 18:04:15

You gotta go work, you gotta do this, you gotta do that.

[Chris Nero] 18:04:18

And all this stuff that you're doing is to maintain the trust, which is the public trust.

[Chris Nero] 18:04:26

Um, I am working on…

[Chris Nero] 18:04:30

I want to focus on… I have so many things I want to do, but one of them I was talking to Kim, I wanted to go in and do a class action against the corporate United States of America.

[Chris Nero] 18:04:39

With, uh, me as a private attorney general,

[Chris Nero] 18:04:42

All of us is the private attorney generals coming in under we, the people, the original, the United States of America.

[Chris Nero] 18:04:49

And, um, because I don't buy the bullshit, quite frankly, that…

[Chris Nero] 18:04:55

Um, we're stuck in here.

[Chris Nero] 18:04:58

We're compelled

[Chris Nero] 18:04:59

That's… that's not the way it should be.

[Chris Nero] 18:05:02

Because we have an inheritance.

[Chris Nero] 18:05:05

And if we don't want to participate, that's why…

[Chris Nero] 18:05:09

Uh, and the basic instructions before leaving Earth, it says do not have intercourse with man.

[Chris Nero] 18:05:17

And every time we go out here, we're compelled.

[Chris Nero] 18:05:21

to have commercial intercourse.

[Chris Nero] 18:05:25

And to me, that is troubling, because

[Chris Nero] 18:05:31

We should be able to have

[Chris Nero] 18:05:34

Everything!

[Chris Nero] 18:05:36

that we want in the private.

[Chris Nero] 18:05:41

And basically what that does is that you have what's called a…

[Chris Nero] 18:05:45

A mediation with the corporation,

[Chris Nero] 18:05:49

And you come in,

[Chris Nero] 18:05:51

And you get the immunity, and you get a card,

[Chris Nero] 18:05:55

And that's all you use.

[Chris Nero] 18:05:58

And, of course, you know, you'll have some sort of a…

[Chris Nero] 18:06:02

an agreement, uh, of, you know,

[Chris Nero] 18:06:06

you know, within reason. You're not… you can't be, you know, coming out like, yeah, I want to buy the bridge over there in San Francisco, or whatever.

[Chris Nero] 18:06:13

I don't know how all that works, but I'm sure that would be up to arbitration and negotiations at some point, but…

[Chris Nero] 18:06:19

There's no…

[Chris Nero] 18:06:21

And I… and I'm gonna tell you that you can't get any advice from anyone you can't get anywhere.

[Chris Nero] 18:06:26

Not from your AI, not from anyone.

[Chris Nero] 18:06:29

It will tell you that you are…

[Chris Nero] 18:06:32

screwed.

[Chris Nero] 18:06:34

That's just the way it is, and I don't buy that.

[Chris Nero] 18:06:39

So, I… I… I would say that

[Chris Nero] 18:06:45

Collectively, we could do a…

[Chris Nero] 18:06:50

Jason, close the door!

[Chris Nero] 18:06:53

Collectively, we could have a, um…

[Chris Nero] 18:06:56

a class action.

[Chris Nero] 18:06:58

And even to the point of…

[Chris Nero] 18:07:02

Uh, liquidation.

[Chris Nero] 18:07:06

And we should be able to come in under Article 4,

[Chris Nero] 18:07:12

And really put this into a…

[Chris Nero] 18:07:17

like a foreign arbitration.

[Chris Nero] 18:07:20

Under the Foreign Arbitration Act.

[Chris Nero] 18:07:24

or the Federal Arbitration Act, there's both of them, but…

[Chris Nero] 18:07:26

I mean, the United States is…

[Chris Nero] 18:07:30

Uh, they are a corporation. We know they're 10 miles cord in, we know they have their own flag.

[Chris Nero] 18:07:37

Uh, and… and… and we know…

[Chris Nero] 18:07:40

If that's why I put all that out there.

[Chris Nero] 18:07:43

Because I wanted you to see and hear and listen…

[Chris Nero] 18:07:47

to what's happened.

[Chris Nero] 18:07:49

And there's… everybody's like, oh, nothing to see here. There's… there's plenty to see here.

[Chris Nero] 18:07:54

And quite frankly, it irritates me.

[Chris Nero] 18:07:59

And, you know, right now, I got all these judges I'm taking down, and, you know, and…

[Chris Nero] 18:08:05

the cases, but, you know, I'm like, what the hell, let's add one more, right?

[Chris Nero] 18:08:09

Um, and then we'll all kind of work together on it, but…

[Chris Nero] 18:08:12

You know, between all of us working to get

[Chris Nero] 18:08:18

working to get the, uh, remedies that we all want.

[Chris Nero] 18:08:23

Uh, obviously, um…

[Chris Nero] 18:08:27

There's a lot going on in the IRS. I did have another client that called me.

[Chris Nero] 18:08:34

Uh, this is from Steven.

[Chris Nero] 18:08:36

Bernstein's… the one that I helped out.

[Chris Nero] 18:08:38

And they received their transcripts with the 840 stating that

[Chris Nero] 18:08:43

$20 million went through to my trust.

[Chris Nero] 18:08:47

But I don't have those transcripts, because, you know, I can't see them right now.

[Chris Nero] 18:08:52

And… so the good news is that that did go through.

[Chris Nero] 18:08:58

But the bad news is that they're paranoid, and, you know, they're…

[Chris Nero] 18:09:02

kind of giving me resistance and letting me see him.

[Chris Nero] 18:09:06

Unlike, you know, with James, James…

[Chris Nero] 18:09:09

send me his, I can order the 4506T and…

[Chris Nero] 18:09:12

And get the information that I need from there.

[Chris Nero] 18:09:16

So that I can see where they routed it. They routed it to some trust.

[Chris Nero] 18:09:22

Which I believe is internal.

[Chris Nero] 18:09:24

to the IRS.

[Chris Nero] 18:09:30

So there's a lot of good action.

[Chris Nero] 18:09:33

I'm doing mine right now.

[Chris Nero] 18:09:35

Uh, from my, um…

[Chris Nero] 18:09:38

property.

[Chris Nero] 18:09:40

Oh, and I just finished discharging, uh, $6 million, uh, $4 million, or four-something, 4 million-something on my, uh…

[Chris Nero] 18:09:47

Uh, my $11 million that I…

[Chris Nero] 18:09:49

claimed last year.

[Chris Nero] 18:09:52

That's done. Done, done, done.

[Chris Nero] 18:09:56

Now I gotta send it out.

[Chris Nero] 18:09:59

And, um, it's gonna be great.

[Chris Nero] 18:10:03

So I'm starting to get a little bit more clarity on where all these, uh, monies are going, but I will say, though, that there was…

[Chris Nero] 18:10:13

And this is my…

[Chris Nero] 18:10:15

This was my take on what I believed at the time.

[Chris Nero] 18:10:19

using my cab number, so there may have been some confusion on some of these.

[Chris Nero] 18:10:23

Which, I got the letter back from the IRS telling me they corrected it.

[Chris Nero] 18:10:28

Uh, and I got another letter from the IRS.

[Chris Nero] 18:10:31

Telling me that they need a little bit more time.

[Chris Nero] 18:10:34

So, I'm not gonna keep on pounding them with…

[Chris Nero] 18:10:38

you know, threats, because…

[Chris Nero] 18:10:41

A lot of this has to do with 30, 60, 90 days, where, you know, it's like a claim.

[Chris Nero] 18:10:47

The money doesn't come…

[Chris Nero] 18:10:48

It's not… it's not like, you know, out of thin air.

[Chris Nero] 18:10:52

Um, it's… it's a journal.

[Chris Nero] 18:10:55

Uh, at the IRS, they have, uh, everything inside there.

[Chris Nero] 18:11:00

that needs to be…

[Chris Nero] 18:11:02

Um, Patrick Devine used to say,

[Chris Nero] 18:11:04

They have everything from every penny.

[Chris Nero] 18:11:07

Even before they had all these computers.

[Chris Nero] 18:11:12

So, settlement, closure, all these types of things, and then…

[Chris Nero] 18:11:17

Um…

[Chris Nero] 18:11:21

Obviously, we need to stay on top of our transcripts, that's key.

[Chris Nero] 18:11:25

Um, Ibarra, your father…

[Chris Nero] 18:11:28

uh, needs to see about his transcripts, I need those transcripts.

[Chris Nero] 18:11:32

Uh, for what I'm doing for him, and what I'm gonna be sending out for him.

[Chris Nero] 18:11:36

Uh, and then again, I put those 1099s out there.

[Chris Nero] 18:11:40

So you can see, if you have an LLC,

[Chris Nero] 18:11:43

You can pay your trust.

[Chris Nero] 18:11:46

With the 1099-NEC.

[Chris Nero] 18:11:49

Uh, I've shown how to use a 1099-DIV.

[Chris Nero] 18:11:54

You know, honestly, I wasn't going to do this, because it's, like, the last thing I want to put on your plate, because then everybody's gonna…

[Chris Nero] 18:11:59

you know, start going, you know, wayward.

[Chris Nero] 18:12:02

Uh, instead of focusing on what we have,

[Chris Nero] 18:12:05

But, you know, you guys are all grown-ups, so…

[Chris Nero] 18:12:08

It's there.

[Chris Nero] 18:12:10

Uh, your LLC can pay off your trust because you're…

[Chris Nero] 18:12:14

Social Security estate number,

[Chris Nero] 18:12:16

Everything comes from there.

[Chris Nero] 18:12:18

All your LLCs have your Social Security Estate Number.

[Chris Nero] 18:12:22

So you can use the 1099

[Chris Nero] 18:12:25

LLC EIN…

[Chris Nero] 18:12:27

Uh, to pay your trust. The trust will get the check.

[Chris Nero] 18:12:31

Same thing with miscellaneous, or…

[Chris Nero] 18:12:34

Uh, the 1099, all these come with the 1041s with them as well.

[Chris Nero] 18:12:40

obviously going to be amended.

[Chris Nero] 18:12:42

But…

[Chris Nero] 18:12:44

I want to go in and, uh…

[Chris Nero] 18:12:47

Let's start off with, uh…

[Chris Nero] 18:12:49

I want to stay on target today.

[Chris Nero] 18:12:52

with, you know, the utility package?

[Chris Nero] 18:12:55

The reason I want to use the utility package is because the utility package is pretty…

[Chris Nero] 18:13:00

Similar to what you gotta do with pretty much

[Chris Nero] 18:13:04

Uh, you know, vehicle, credit card, whatnot.

[Chris Nero] 18:13:07

mortgage company, they're all… but the thing is that all the laws… there's different laws.

[Chris Nero] 18:13:12

You can't use Tila with a car.

[Chris Nero] 18:13:16

or RESPA,

[Chris Nero] 18:13:17

Uh, but there's plenty of other, um, there's plenty of other USC laws that go with it.

[Chris Nero] 18:13:23

So, if you want to put that up,

[Chris Nero] 18:13:26

Reyna?

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 18:13:31

Yes, right up.

[Chris Nero] 18:13:39

We'll start with, you know, the first…

[Chris Nero] 18:13:41

We've… some of us here already revisited the…

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 18:14:43

Can everybody see the screen?

[Chris Nero] 18:14:44

Yes.

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 18:14:47

Okay.

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 18:14:53

Don't worry, you're black. Is that good enough, or…

[Chris Nero] 18:14:57

Yeah, yeah, you can make it a little bit smaller.

[Chris Nero] 18:15:02

Okay, that's good.

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 18:15:02

Is that good?

[Chris Nero] 18:15:07

So…

[Chris Nero] 18:15:10

I'm going to go through this, and then we're going to show one of Raina's…

[Chris Nero] 18:15:15

Um, examples there.

[Chris Nero] 18:15:17

Okay, so I'm just gonna read verbatim so that, you know, we're all on the same page.

[Chris Nero] 18:15:22

Uh, the document outlines steps for challenging and discharging utility bills using

[Chris Nero] 18:15:27

consumer law and administrative procedures.

[Chris Nero] 18:15:30

What not to do when discharging utility bills.

[Chris Nero] 18:15:33

Um, so several common mistakes and misconceptions to avoid.

[Chris Nero] 18:15:37

Uh, do not use your social security number as a routing.

[Chris Nero] 18:15:41

number to pay utility bills. This is a common false claim.

[Chris Nero] 18:15:44

Now, I will tell you…

[Chris Nero] 18:15:46

I am guilty of that.

[Chris Nero] 18:15:49

And what'll happen is…

[Chris Nero] 18:15:52

You can use it, and you can use your passport, and you can use the…

[Chris Nero] 18:15:58

public, um, what's it called?

[Chris Nero] 18:16:03

Uh, where it's the public debt.

[Chris Nero] 18:16:06

You can use the Treasury, it will work!

[Chris Nero] 18:16:08

And then it'll be reversed in 2 weeks.

[Chris Nero] 18:16:12

Uh, so, um…

[Chris Nero] 18:16:15

Common false claim that this is associated with an estate trust, but it's used to track debt, assets,

[Chris Nero] 18:16:20

Not to pay for things.

[Chris Nero] 18:16:23

Uh, again, might temporarily work, but will often get reversed, so…

[Chris Nero] 18:16:30

Do not send an invalid coupon. You must properly endorse your coupon.

[Chris Nero] 18:16:35

Using 31 CFR, Code of Federal Rules.

[Chris Nero] 18:16:39

These are the exact rules.

[Chris Nero] 18:16:42

And how you endorse properly.

[Chris Nero] 18:16:46

Uh, it's very important that you do that. A lot of people put stamps and…

[Chris Nero] 18:16:50

All types of other stuff on there, we're not going there. Do not ignore the follow-up

[Chris Nero] 18:16:54

Most importantly, do not ignore the follow-up notices from utility company.

[Chris Nero] 18:16:58

You have must respond to them and call them out in their attempts to collect on the debt.

[Chris Nero] 18:17:03

Which a lot of us here that are doing mortgages or cars or whatever have done. We've stayed on top of this.

[Chris Nero] 18:17:09

And we're toe-to-toe with them.

[Chris Nero] 18:17:13

Do not try to force a discharge without an agreement or acceptance.

[Chris Nero] 18:17:17

So, sending an instrument for, like a coupon is considered an offer, which…

[Chris Nero] 18:17:21

requires an acceptance.

[Chris Nero] 18:17:23

refusal or counteroffer under contract law.

[Chris Nero] 18:17:27

So this is why, when you go into a courtroom,

[Chris Nero] 18:17:33

you're building…

[Chris Nero] 18:17:35

this contract with them.

[Chris Nero] 18:17:37

And when it first starts off with the coupon,

[Chris Nero] 18:17:43

The coupon in itself is a contract, but it doesn't mean, just because they didn't…

[Chris Nero] 18:17:50

They then send it back, or whatever, that it's a contract

[Chris Nero] 18:17:54

by what we would go to court, and the court would say, well, did…

[Chris Nero] 18:17:59

Did they agree to that? Where did they agree to that?

[Chris Nero] 18:18:01

Okay, so this is where we build.

[Chris Nero] 18:18:04

Uh, do not stop paying your bills entirely. I mean, I don't recommend that, believe me. I know.

[Chris Nero] 18:18:09

Until the contract is challenged.

[Chris Nero] 18:18:15

Simply stopping the payment can be argued as a breach of contract, on their side.

[Chris Nero] 18:18:21

Do not attempt the process, if you're not willing to go the distance.

[Chris Nero] 18:18:24

You gotta be willing to go to court.

[Chris Nero] 18:18:26

All these other outfits out there are like, eh, I don't like to go to court, we never go to court, I'm never in court, I have people to do that.

[Chris Nero] 18:18:33

then, you know, I can only tell you, go follow the squirrels.

[Chris Nero] 18:18:37

Uh, do not rush the process. This process…

[Chris Nero] 18:18:41

Uh, doesn't immediately discharge your debt in the first month.

[Chris Nero] 18:18:46

Now, the reason I bring this up…

[Chris Nero] 18:18:49

is that Kimberly and Raina…

[Chris Nero] 18:18:54

Have we seen a process in your mortgages or your cars being rushed?

[Chris Nero] 18:19:01

Do you guys think you're… do you… no, like… like, honestly, if I were in your shoes, I'd be like, Jesus Christ, this is like…

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 18:19:02

That's not enough.

[kimberlybyrd] 18:19:03

No.

[Chris Nero] 18:19:09

It's a really slow process, right?

[kimberlybyrd] 18:19:11

Mm-hmm.

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 18:19:12

Yes, correct

[Chris Nero] 18:19:13

But we know…

[Chris Nero] 18:19:16

as, um, individuals that have

[Chris Nero] 18:19:21

you know,

[Chris Nero] 18:19:24

We're gaining the understanding of what we're doing. It's a…

[Chris Nero] 18:19:27

It's a chess game.

[Chris Nero] 18:19:30

I call it stacking.

[Chris Nero] 18:19:33

you give them one,

[Chris Nero] 18:19:36

The other one's 2.

[Chris Nero] 18:19:39

Then you tell them…

[Chris Nero] 18:19:41

We're giving you another chance. This is a contract.

[Chris Nero] 18:19:44

based on the law merchant… oh!

[Chris Nero] 18:19:47

Now we're putting rules in front of them.

[Chris Nero] 18:19:51

You're violating this law, USC 1692G, 1692B, whatever.

[Chris Nero] 18:19:58

Then you go again, I want to know where, you know, the letter is for consideration. Where's the value, boom, boom, hit that again there.

[Chris Nero] 18:20:06

And you keep on stacking these letters.

[Chris Nero] 18:20:11

And there… you have now a mountain of them.

[Chris Nero] 18:20:15

And they have not answered.

[Chris Nero] 18:20:17

Now what you have…

[Chris Nero] 18:20:21

is a breach of a contract.

[Chris Nero] 18:20:24

A breach of performance.

[Chris Nero] 18:20:27

And I just asked…

[Chris Nero] 18:20:30

So,

[Chris Nero] 18:20:33

If Reyna loans me $100,000 and she wires it to me,

[Chris Nero] 18:20:40

And for whatever reason, I tell Raina, look, you know, I ain't, you know, I need… I know…

[Chris Nero] 18:20:46

I know you did, but I need a dead validation.

[Chris Nero] 18:20:49

Raina, are you gonna have problems sending me the debt validation for the, you know, where you wired it?

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 18:20:56

Of course not.

[Chris Nero] 18:20:58

But yet, we've sent…

[Chris Nero] 18:21:00

20… almost two dozen… I don't know, close to two dozen letters.

[Chris Nero] 18:21:04

And they can't answer one of them!

[Chris Nero] 18:21:09

And that's…

[Chris Nero] 18:21:11

where we get them.

[Chris Nero] 18:21:14

You see, the… the…

[Chris Nero] 18:21:19

non-legal tender bill of exchange is just a vehicle.

[Chris Nero] 18:21:26

So that the judge can see this… this side vehicle here.

[Chris Nero] 18:21:32

But focus on all the letters.

[Chris Nero] 18:21:37

that have to do with the Federal Credit Act, the federal…

[Chris Nero] 18:21:40

Uh, the FTCFP, the CFPB, the SEC, all the alphabets!

[Chris Nero] 18:21:47

And then the… then the judge has no…

[Chris Nero] 18:21:51

recourse. The one thing he may do, even though you have all this, is say,

[Chris Nero] 18:21:55

You guys got 30 days to bring this in.

[Chris Nero] 18:21:59

They will never bring it in. If they didn't bring it in in 2 or 3 months, then they're gonna bring it in now, and the judge will then…

[Chris Nero] 18:22:05

on paper, say they defaulted, because that's their color ball out.

[Chris Nero] 18:22:10

Um,

[Chris Nero] 18:22:13

Will a judge do it? Look.

[Chris Nero] 18:22:19

Most likely, a lot of these go away into arbitration.

[Chris Nero] 18:22:23

Because the court cannot rule on them.

[Chris Nero] 18:22:26

That's just the way it goes. I think you borrow, you learn that. Uh, they get you out of the courtroom.

[Chris Nero] 18:22:31

And they put you in arbitration.

[Chris Nero] 18:22:34

So,

[Chris Nero] 18:22:38

What we want to do is we want to establish the challenge and the tender of the payment.

[Chris Nero] 18:22:43

Yes.

[Jason Ibarra] 18:22:43

Wait, Chris? Wait, you mean mediation, right? Because they don't want… they don't want to go to arbitration, because they're going to lose their…

[Chris Nero] 18:22:50

mediation and arbitration are two…

[Chris Nero] 18:22:54

of the same animal.

[Chris Nero] 18:22:57

they're gonna lose…

[Chris Nero] 18:22:59

You will lose if you don't know what you're doing in there.

[Chris Nero] 18:23:03

Anybody will lose.

[Chris Nero] 18:23:05

But if you're gonna follow this blueprint,

[Chris Nero] 18:23:09

Because it's all about the blue.

[Chris Nero] 18:23:13

for remembrance.

[Chris Nero] 18:23:17

is that you have record.

[Chris Nero] 18:23:20

of their breach.

[Chris Nero] 18:23:25

Their breach of performance.

[Chris Nero] 18:23:28

You see, what we now have, before they realize there's no contract, you have no contract, we're not contracting.

[Chris Nero] 18:23:35

Now, we've stacked them, and we came in so clever,

[Chris Nero] 18:23:41

Wise is a serpent but as peaceful as a dove, just loving you?

[Chris Nero] 18:23:46

And now, what we have is…

[Chris Nero] 18:23:50

Breach of performance.

[Chris Nero] 18:23:53

based on their contracts.

[Chris Nero] 18:23:56

their language.

[Chris Nero] 18:23:58

And if they don't answer you,

[Chris Nero] 18:24:00

Like, if you would expect they're gonna answer, they're gonna answer you, then you gotta default to…

[Chris Nero] 18:24:06

And you gotta keep on doing it, so you're stacking on them.

[Chris Nero] 18:24:10

So when you're going to a courtroom,

[Chris Nero] 18:24:13

They didn't answer the first time, the second time, the third time, the fourth time, the fifth time, the sixth time.

[Chris Nero] 18:24:19

et cetera.

[Chris Nero] 18:24:23

And all these are legitimate…

[Chris Nero] 18:24:26

Righteous…

[Chris Nero] 18:24:27

Contractual obligations that they have on your mortgages, on your credit card.

[Chris Nero] 18:24:33

If you haven't read your credit card,

[Chris Nero] 18:24:36

uh, rules and regulations.

[Chris Nero] 18:24:39

Which they talk about mediation and even arbitration on there. But they're so long that you don't even know what the hell you signed.

[Chris Nero] 18:24:49

So, we're gonna start off with the conditional acceptance and the notice of tender.

[Chris Nero] 18:24:57

Let's go ahead and move up.

[Chris Nero] 18:25:01

So, when you… when you include the tender for discharge,

[Chris Nero] 18:25:05

And you endorse it correctly. Once it's there, under 31 CFR 3285,

[Chris Nero] 18:25:11

And 31 CFR328.

[Chris Nero] 18:25:13

0.6, it's done!

[Chris Nero] 18:25:16

Whether they accept it or not, it's done. They accepted it.

[Chris Nero] 18:25:20

That's just the law, I didn't create the law.

[Chris Nero] 18:25:23

You're gonna request the validation and proof of the condition… in the conditional acceptance. The reason you want a conditional

[Chris Nero] 18:25:31

Acceptance is because

[Chris Nero] 18:25:33

you're not looking for controversy.

[Chris Nero] 18:25:38

And controversy is a key adjective.

[Chris Nero] 18:25:42

Because controversy is what

[Chris Nero] 18:25:45

gives all the energy and jurisdiction to these courts.

[Chris Nero] 18:25:50

Got me? So, you can't go in there…

[Chris Nero] 18:25:55

Arguing!

[Chris Nero] 18:25:57

They're not arguing, you're just like, look…

[Chris Nero] 18:25:59

I want to pay you.

[Chris Nero] 18:26:01

I will pay you.

[Chris Nero] 18:26:06

But I don't know who you are.

[Chris Nero] 18:26:10

And I'm just asking lawful questions.

[Chris Nero] 18:26:15

And you have a fiduciary obligation.

[Chris Nero] 18:26:18

To prove these simple tasks, if you are who you say you are.

[Chris Nero] 18:26:23

So, of course,

[Chris Nero] 18:26:26

Wouldn't anybody in their right mind want to fool out of Meinster Counting?

[Chris Nero] 18:26:31

Uh, the proof of the contract with the wet ink signature?

[Chris Nero] 18:26:35

Prove that they paid for the utilities?

[Chris Nero] 18:26:38

or advanced consideration?

[Chris Nero] 18:26:41

The CUSA for billing bond reference?

[Chris Nero] 18:26:44

Now, that… if I'm… if I'm a legit…

[Chris Nero] 18:26:48

company, I'm gonna have all this!

[Chris Nero] 18:26:53

And why wouldn't I?

[Chris Nero] 18:26:57

How about you, Ibar? If I came, where are you working at, and I asked for your SEC number, are you gonna have it?

[Jason Ibarra] 18:27:05

Yeah.

[Chris Nero] 18:27:07

But what if you don't give it to me?

[Jason Ibarra] 18:27:11

Well, what do you need, and if… what are you asking it for?

[Chris Nero] 18:27:14

Just because I want to know.

[Jason Ibarra] 18:27:18

I mean, if they don't have anything to hide, they should give it to you.

[Chris Nero] 18:27:23

Okay, well, you just made my point, thank you.

[Chris Nero] 18:27:25

All right, so… so you want to maintain honor and communication.

[Jason Ibarra] 18:27:26

Yep.

[Chris Nero] 18:27:31

Um…

[Chris Nero] 18:27:33

like I just said, this is not a refusal to pay. I'm willing to settle.

[Chris Nero] 18:27:37

Any lawful obligation upon validation of claim and full accounting under the GAAP?

[Chris Nero] 18:27:42

general accounting principles.

[Chris Nero] 18:27:44

This helps build a case that you're not refusing to pay, but seeking validation.

[Chris Nero] 18:27:48

And you don't have to pay them.

[Chris Nero] 18:27:51

Because everything freezes.

[Chris Nero] 18:27:53

keep the communication open.

[Chris Nero] 18:27:58

Kim, don't we always keep in community?

[Chris Nero] 18:28:01

Communication open, and Raina?

[kimberlybyrd] 18:28:04

Yes, we do.

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 18:28:05

Yeah, absolutely.

[Chris Nero] 18:28:07

Killing them with kindness and whatever we have to.

[kimberlybyrd] 18:28:11

Paper terrorists.

[Chris Nero] 18:28:13

Yeah, and if you've got to consider a partial payment, I mean, look,

[Chris Nero] 18:28:16

I got back my Fay mortgage.

[Chris Nero] 18:28:18

After those two letters that I have,

[Chris Nero] 18:28:21

That's the one where they had the 1099 that I caught them on.

[Chris Nero] 18:28:24

And now they sold it, which means it's over.

[Chris Nero] 18:28:28

It was over the first time, it's over the second time.

[Chris Nero] 18:28:31

They're scared!

[Chris Nero] 18:28:35

So, Phase 2, you're going to follow up and dispute the resolution.

[Chris Nero] 18:28:40

You gotta respond to the refusal with the Notice of Dishonor, folks.

[Chris Nero] 18:28:44

Look at what UCC3603 states.

[Chris Nero] 18:28:48

If a tender of payment is made and refused,

[Chris Nero] 18:28:51

there is discharge. Let me re… let me read that again.

[Chris Nero] 18:28:54

And look it up yourself.

[Chris Nero] 18:28:56

If they refuse your tender,

[Chris Nero] 18:29:01

UCC3603 states that if a tender or payment is made,

[Chris Nero] 18:29:07

and re-fuse. There is a.

[Chris Nero] 18:29:10

Discharge.

[Chris Nero] 18:29:13

Let me just tell you something.

[Chris Nero] 18:29:17

A discharge is not an extinguishment. An extinguishment is not a discharge, and we'll get to that later.

[Chris Nero] 18:29:22

And we got, uh, one too many C's on there, Reyna.

[Chris Nero] 18:29:26

If they reject your tender with the proper rebuttal, follow up by sending a notice of dishonor,

[Chris Nero] 18:29:32

Notice them of the UCC. There's one too many C's, Sabrina.

[Chris Nero] 18:29:39

Okay.

[Chris Nero] 18:29:43

It's like a song. UCC, CCCC

[Chris Nero] 18:29:49

Uh, alright.

[Chris Nero] 18:29:50

Use the affidavit process. Why?

[Chris Nero] 18:29:54

You know why I always say an affidavit?

[Chris Nero] 18:29:57

Since the beginning that I learned about affidavits,

[Chris Nero] 18:30:01

I was told affidavits are the most powerfulest.

[Chris Nero] 18:30:05

forms you could ever have.

[Chris Nero] 18:30:08

And it's right, because only a man

[Chris Nero] 18:30:12

can do an affidavit.

[Chris Nero] 18:30:14

or a woman.

[Chris Nero] 18:30:18

And an affidavit is a bond.

[Chris Nero] 18:30:23

Because when you sign, your bond is your word on the affidavit.

[Chris Nero] 18:30:27

That's a bot.

[Chris Nero] 18:30:30

So that's why you'll see…

[Chris Nero] 18:30:32

A lot of judges…

[Chris Nero] 18:30:36

Uh… we'll get out of the way. I'm gonna have this one judge recused here coming up real soon, and…

[Chris Nero] 18:30:42

Luong, and I'll show you after I get rid of him.

[Chris Nero] 18:30:44

Using the affidavit process.

[Chris Nero] 18:30:47

And then send their certificate of dishonor.

[Chris Nero] 18:30:51

Send a notice of estoppel.

[Chris Nero] 18:30:54

And a claim of discharge. After you discharge it,

[Chris Nero] 18:30:57

Then you're gonna get the 1099-C,

[Chris Nero] 18:31:01

And extinguish it.

[Chris Nero] 18:31:05

So, the commercial affidavit process can take 3 to 4 months.

[Chris Nero] 18:31:10

An unrebutted affidavit stands in truth in the commercial world.

[Chris Nero] 18:31:14

We're going around that time right now, are we not, uh, Kim and Reyneth, about 3 months now?

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 18:31:23

Yes.

[kimberlybyrd] 18:31:24

3, maybe 4…

[Chris Nero] 18:31:26

Okay, so here we go.

[Chris Nero] 18:31:28

And what did I say? We're getting ready next week.

[Chris Nero] 18:31:32

Why? Because, you see…

[Chris Nero] 18:31:36

By the time they knew it,

[Chris Nero] 18:31:38

Kim and Raina, they had so many damn letters.

[Chris Nero] 18:31:44

that it was too late for them.

[Chris Nero] 18:31:48

And now all he can do is…

[Chris Nero] 18:31:51

Stay quiet.

[Chris Nero] 18:31:54

They're not given any charges to you, they're not calling you, they're not sending you any mail.

[Chris Nero] 18:32:00

That's just them being quiet.

[Chris Nero] 18:32:04

seeing what we're gonna do.

[Chris Nero] 18:32:06

It's like what two fighters do before they feel each other out.

[Chris Nero] 18:32:10

That's why we send them a notice of intent to sue.

[Chris Nero] 18:32:17

Because that's what we're going to do.

[Chris Nero] 18:32:21

So…

[Chris Nero] 18:32:24

What you need to do is also file a complaint at the Public Utility Commission.

[Chris Nero] 18:32:30

I don't know if anybody that knows about the PUC.

[Chris Nero] 18:32:34

Uh, there's also a similar state agency that may be in your area.

[Chris Nero] 18:32:38

You need to ask them to open a case to mediate before the service is shut off.

[Chris Nero] 18:32:45

You can file complaints with the FTC.

[Chris Nero] 18:32:48

The Federal Trade Commission.

[Chris Nero] 18:32:51

for identity theft.

[Chris Nero] 18:32:55

Uh, that's another thing I wanted to tell you guys. If you file it at an identity theft and you run that through CFPV,

[Chris Nero] 18:33:02

Throw your credit agencies, they have 4 days to remove that.

[Chris Nero] 18:33:08

Right now, there's a lot of breaches out there, so they have to do it.

[Chris Nero] 18:33:12

And the CFPB, uh, for, uh, debt collection threats.

[Chris Nero] 18:33:18

You see, they're not supposed to put you under stress and duress.

[Chris Nero] 18:33:22

Because if they tell you they're not… if you don't pay,

[Chris Nero] 18:33:27

If Big Tony, your electric company, Big Tony, says you don't pay,

[Chris Nero] 18:33:30

He's gonna come and shut your utilities off?

[Chris Nero] 18:33:34

That's extortion.

[Chris Nero] 18:33:40

It's extortion.

[Chris Nero] 18:33:43

So…

[Chris Nero] 18:33:45

Use the legal angles to buy time.

[Chris Nero] 18:33:49

And, you know, even though I said don't argue, but when you're on the phone, you can argue that you're

[Chris Nero] 18:33:55

Uh, in a financial hardship, which many states have protections for.

[Chris Nero] 18:34:00

This is for the people that are…

[Chris Nero] 18:34:02

that if I were going to put this out there for the… not so much for this class, but…

[Chris Nero] 18:34:07

for the laymen that are out there that are like, man, you know, we don't want to get shut off, we don't know everything.

[Chris Nero] 18:34:13

You can also argue that denying access to essential services, water, power, heat,

[Chris Nero] 18:34:18

Uh, without the due process creates a constitution or tort-based liability.

[Chris Nero] 18:34:23

Can you imagine…

[Chris Nero] 18:34:25

The world we live in today,

[Chris Nero] 18:34:30

that they could shut off your utilities without due process of rights?

[Chris Nero] 18:34:34

Oh yeah, nobody knows how.

[Chris Nero] 18:34:36

To defend themselves.

[Chris Nero] 18:34:41

And, um…

[Chris Nero] 18:34:43

there's waves.

[Chris Nero] 18:34:46

And it's an uphill battle.

[Chris Nero] 18:34:48

when I did it, but I stuck with it.

[Chris Nero] 18:34:53

Uh, blood, sweat, tears, you name it.

[Chris Nero] 18:34:57

Uh, so, you gotta document everything, like, I have, like, you know, I… I have so many things on Tucson Electric Power and the Southwest Gas of your, uh, Moreno Water,

[Chris Nero] 18:35:08

Um, you can get a… you can also go and do a, uh…

[Chris Nero] 18:35:13

a claim on them, and do a temporary restraining order?

[Chris Nero] 18:35:16

Um, so that you can notice of harm and liability breakdown, how they've harmed you.

[Chris Nero] 18:35:24

So, find your own state. This is like the state of New Jersey.

[Chris Nero] 18:35:28

So the right… this is where the New Jersey Board of Public Utilities, right?

[Chris Nero] 18:35:33

Marina?

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 18:35:37

Yes, it is.

[Chris Nero] 18:35:38

This is the one you used.

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 18:35:41

That's correct.

[Chris Nero] 18:35:43

Okay, so everybody has one.

[Chris Nero] 18:35:45

Okay, that's… let's go down.

[Chris Nero] 18:35:50

Brainer, do you want to explain what you did in this process?

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 18:35:57

Yes, I actually… the, uh, the conditional sentence, uh, we actually sent the… I had a short of notice months ago. We sent out conditional sentence.

[Chris Nero] 18:36:07

Yeah.

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 18:36:09

Um, they can't coming back. sending me a bill.

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 18:36:15

And, uh, just continue sending message, uh, sending letters, I'm sorry.

[Chris Nero] 18:36:17

Yes.

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 18:36:21

And, um, into… I got now, for example, for the water.

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 18:36:27

The… the one bill that says CR with a credit of $400, but it's still saying a balance.

[Chris Nero] 18:36:31

Yeah.

[Chris Nero] 18:36:34

Yes.

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 18:36:34

So… And that's what I am right now.

[Chris Nero] 18:36:36

Yes.

[Chris Nero] 18:36:41

But you see the credit.

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 18:36:45

Right. It's not a full credit, but it is some credit.

[Chris Nero] 18:36:49

Yeah, they can give you…

[Chris Nero] 18:36:52

This is what you have to understand.

[Chris Nero] 18:36:54

If they give you full credit,

[Chris Nero] 18:36:56

Um,

[Chris Nero] 18:36:59

then they're gonna… they have to show up.

[Chris Nero] 18:37:02

Right?

[Chris Nero] 18:37:05

Does that make sense? Guys?

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 18:37:07

Yes, it

[Chris Nero] 18:37:09

And a lot of people don't know that.

[Chris Nero] 18:37:15

You want to explain, you know, like, you send everything in there, and then…

[Chris Nero] 18:37:20

Did you get anything back from them?

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 18:37:27

Uh, I did not get anything, all I got was the bill.

[Chris Nero] 18:37:30

the statements. Do you have a… do you have a… do you have a… can you show, um…

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 18:37:32

the statement with the credit.

[Chris Nero] 18:37:35

A picture of that?

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 18:37:37

Yes, give me one second, let me pull it up.

[Chris Nero] 18:37:39

I just want everybody to see the… how it works.

[Chris Nero] 18:37:43

They don't give you all the credit at one time.

[Chris Nero] 18:37:46

Because remember, these are dividends.

[Chris Nero] 18:37:51

These… you… remember, you're… you're the, uh…

[Chris Nero] 18:37:53

You're the investor, you're the stockholder, right?

[Chris Nero] 18:37:57

So they're giving you your credits.

[Chris Nero] 18:38:08

I'm gonna… I'm gonna… okay, there you go.

[Chris Nero] 18:38:11

Okay, so you have…

[Chris Nero] 18:38:13

Where they… see how they're saying, do?

[Chris Nero] 18:38:16

And then… you have your credits.

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 18:38:24

a circle right there on top.

[Chris Nero] 18:38:25

Okay, so then you have your payment, which is $400 of credit.

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 18:38:32

Yes, that's the cred… CO credit.

[Chris Nero] 18:38:33

Then, right. So, the next one you should get in…

[Chris Nero] 18:38:37

It's going to be probably for 342.

[Chris Nero] 18:38:41

or 400.

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 18:38:43

Yes, that's what adding on this thing, because it says balance forward, and then it says due.

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 18:38:50

1231, then it says 342. I'm guessing that's the new… what I own now, or supposedly owe?

[Chris Nero] 18:38:59

Yeah, no, that's the new one.

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 18:39:00

I don't understand much.

[Chris Nero] 18:39:02

That's the new one.

[Chris Nero] 18:39:05

So they left that 342, so they won't sh… so it doesn't get shut off.

[Chris Nero] 18:39:11

You'll get that next.

[Chris Nero] 18:39:13

And then you'll have the balance that's forward. Because remember, listen…

[Chris Nero] 18:39:17

Do you see a minus on there?

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 18:39:19

Okay.

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 18:39:20

No.

[Chris Nero] 18:39:23

So, that's a, uh…

[Chris Nero] 18:39:25

Everything that you're seeing is credits.

[Chris Nero] 18:39:29

And they're moving your credits.

[Chris Nero] 18:39:33

as they come.

[Chris Nero] 18:39:36

See, lots of times when they charge you that big amount,

[Chris Nero] 18:39:39

they're getting fees.

[Chris Nero] 18:39:42

And whatever else they're charging on there.

[Chris Nero] 18:39:46

So,

[Chris Nero] 18:39:50

This right here…

[Chris Nero] 18:39:54

Um, when you send this

[Chris Nero] 18:39:56

send this back,

[Chris Nero] 18:39:58

I would send it with all your letters.

[Chris Nero] 18:40:02

Again,

[Chris Nero] 18:40:04

Okay?

[Chris Nero] 18:40:10

And the only reason you're doing that is to…

[Chris Nero] 18:40:13

to keep them on check.

[Chris Nero] 18:40:15

Okay?

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 18:40:18

Maybe that.

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 18:40:19

Yes, sir?

[Chris Nero] 18:40:21

Okay, does anybody have any questions on what Raina did here?

[Chris Nero] 18:40:25

And how she got credits?

[Jason Ibarra] 18:40:28

Well, what caused it? What caused the 400 credit?

[Chris Nero] 18:40:30

What caused the poor…

[Chris Nero] 18:40:32

Because it was part of, uh, it was, uh, the full amount that she had was…

[Chris Nero] 18:40:37

1250.

[Chris Nero] 18:40:39

And then they gave her $400 credit.

[Chris Nero] 18:40:42

Then they had the amount due.

[Chris Nero] 18:40:45

So, they're trying to balance the ledgers without having her shut down.

[Chris Nero] 18:40:50

So she gets, um…

[Chris Nero] 18:40:54

If you look at the 400 from the 850,

[Chris Nero] 18:40:58

Now, she has due… how much? $342.

[Chris Nero] 18:41:05

Did you see that?

[Jason Ibarra] 18:41:08

There's the balance for $8.50. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chris Nero] 18:41:10

Okay, listen, you got… you got 12… you got 1250 where it says previous balance.

[Chris Nero] 18:41:15

You see $400 credit.

[Jason Ibarra] 18:41:15

Yeah, I see it.

[Chris Nero] 18:41:18

That's what they can show her.

[Chris Nero] 18:41:20

Then the balance forward is $8.50.

[Chris Nero] 18:41:24

That's done.

[Chris Nero] 18:41:26

They don't need to give her the credit, because that's what's keeping her open.

[Chris Nero] 18:41:29

The next month, which is December the 31st,

[Chris Nero] 18:41:34

That's what's due. And then they'll rotate it,

[Chris Nero] 18:41:38

And give her credit.

[Chris Nero] 18:41:42

And she has not paid anything.

[Jason Ibarra] 18:41:43

Yeah. But what… I guess, I guess, what was the instrument? Was, like… was it a… What was the… what was the device or the instrument that created the $400 credit on the… On the account.

[Chris Nero] 18:41:45

Why should she?

[Chris Nero] 18:42:02

Brenda, what did you… did you just send the condition? That's all I told you, right?

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 18:42:06

Foundation assistance in the validation, yeah. Saying a step… same as steps Chris just went over.

[Jason Ibarra] 18:42:09

That was the tender?

[Chris Nero] 18:42:12

Yeah, I didn't send the voucher, though, for you, did I?

[Chris Nero] 18:42:16

Okay, yeah. And, and…

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 18:42:16

No.

[Chris Nero] 18:42:19

And the voucher in itself?

[Chris Nero] 18:42:23

Um, the reason that I didn't do the voucher

[Chris Nero] 18:42:26

On this one is because

[Chris Nero] 18:42:28

If I send the voucher in,

[Chris Nero] 18:42:31

Um… then…

[Chris Nero] 18:42:33

If I send a dead validation,

[Chris Nero] 18:42:37

It's not the same like a, uh…

[Chris Nero] 18:42:40

A non-legal tender bill of exchange?

[Chris Nero] 18:42:42

And it may harm me.

[Chris Nero] 18:42:45

I think there's a lot of people out there that are signing the voucher on the top and on the bottom.

[Chris Nero] 18:42:52

And… I believe the easiest is to do the validation.

[Chris Nero] 18:42:59

And tell them to settle it.

[Chris Nero] 18:43:01

Correctly. That's what we're doing.

[Chris Nero] 18:43:03

That's all we're doing. And then…

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 18:43:06

Also, please remember that I had a shot of notice.

[Chris Nero] 18:43:07

Yeah.

[Chris Nero] 18:43:09

Yes.

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 18:43:09

So we couldn't just do the coupon.

[Chris Nero] 18:43:11

Yes, yes, yeah, I didn't want to do the coupon anyways, because…

[Chris Nero] 18:43:15

There's just… in studying…

[Chris Nero] 18:43:18

everybody's doing the coupon and stuff.

[Chris Nero] 18:43:21

Um, I'm not sure that I like all those digits at the bottom that I don't know anything about.

[Chris Nero] 18:43:27

And I always say,

[Chris Nero] 18:43:32

I agree with Devine, just skewed your own shit.

[Chris Nero] 18:43:36

Um, we have… we have mines.

[Chris Nero] 18:43:41

All of us have…

[Chris Nero] 18:43:43

the ability to think for ourself?

[Chris Nero] 18:43:46

And… I don't have… I tell you guys all the time, I don't have a script, I don't have a…

[Chris Nero] 18:43:52

something that's waiting,

[Chris Nero] 18:43:55

I gotta make that decision on the spot.

[Chris Nero] 18:43:59

And this is concerning somebody else's life.

[Chris Nero] 18:44:04

She's legitimately gonna get her utility shut down.

[Chris Nero] 18:44:11

It was important that we had the right laws and the right agencies that she needed to contact to make this happen.

[Chris Nero] 18:44:18

So, um…

[Chris Nero] 18:44:21

Is this the, uh, second?

[Chris Nero] 18:44:22

Paige?

[Jason Ibarra] 18:44:24

Canadian specialty pizza's pretty good idea.

[Chris Nero] 18:44:25

Okay.

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 18:44:25

No, this is the continuation, yeah, of the same package.

[Chris Nero] 18:44:27

Okay, all right, so you want to include the documents, uh, you know, to the, uh, company. Billing disputes, demand,

[Chris Nero] 18:44:36

Lawful Presentment, affidavit of truth and status,

[Chris Nero] 18:44:39

Notice of default, uh, default and dishonor.

[Chris Nero] 18:44:43

Um…

[Chris Nero] 18:44:45

I don't want a second.

[Chris Nero] 18:44:53

Um, and then you want to know the laws, guys.

[Chris Nero] 18:44:56

These instruments are submitted.

[Chris Nero] 18:45:00

In StruManz.

[Chris Nero] 18:45:03

Instruments.

[Chris Nero] 18:45:07

are submitted to demand lawful accounting, verified billing procedures in line with 12

[Chris Nero] 18:45:13

Codes of federal regulation, Statute 1026.13, 15 U.S.C.,

[Chris Nero] 18:45:19

1666B and the paperwork Reduction Act. We all know what the Paperwork Reduction Act is, right?

[Chris Nero] 18:45:28

The Paper Reduction Act is there, because if you don't have an OMB number, and this is their law,

[Chris Nero] 18:45:34

then it is not a lawful bill.

[Chris Nero] 18:45:37

If you're getting something in the mail and it doesn't have an OMB number, how in the hell is the IRS gonna know about it?

[kimberlybyrd] 18:45:37

Okay.

[Chris Nero] 18:45:43

That's not a bill. That's a statement.

[Chris Nero] 18:45:49

And if it doesn't have it on there as executor, in fact, you're the only one that has access to your private estate, which they created a trust on with your name on.

[Chris Nero] 18:46:03

Now, when you tell them I require a full statement of account approval, lawful contract for any future collection attempts,

[Chris Nero] 18:46:10

Do you think it's gonna be easier for them to send something like they're doing for Reyna?

[Chris Nero] 18:46:18

I'm not saying…

[Chris Nero] 18:46:20

everything is like a 12-round fight.

[Chris Nero] 18:46:23

I never get…

[Chris Nero] 18:46:27

where I like to spark… spike the ball.

[Chris Nero] 18:46:30

And that's why I told Raina.

[Chris Nero] 18:46:32

You send that new bill in,

[Chris Nero] 18:46:36

And you send it with the same letters.

[Chris Nero] 18:46:39

And you email it. However else you did.

[Chris Nero] 18:46:42

You rinse, and you repeat.

[Chris Nero] 18:46:44

Because they're sneaky little devils.

[Chris Nero] 18:46:48

We complied with the first contract, but look, guys, this is a different contract. This is…

[Chris Nero] 18:46:53

This is December 31st, it's not November.

[Chris Nero] 18:47:00

you see it's a fictional world, it's based on presumptions.

[Chris Nero] 18:47:04

Don't give them a reason to pursue them.

[Chris Nero] 18:47:07

Still a target. And you tell them, um, failure to respond. You know, you're, um…

[Chris Nero] 18:47:13

Yeah, they have a lawful, uh, right… we have a lawful right.

[Chris Nero] 18:47:17

Anything is fraud, conversion, misrepresentation, and…

[Chris Nero] 18:47:21

And that's it.

[Chris Nero] 18:47:28

Do you see that? What they get? I love this one. I remember this one.

[Chris Nero] 18:47:33

I love this one.

[Chris Nero] 18:47:35

The utility billing…

[Chris Nero] 18:47:37

Just this alone, you can win almost any… on all of them.

[Chris Nero] 18:47:41

I'm not gonna say almost, on all of them.

[Chris Nero] 18:47:44

This is a formal building error dispute under federal law. Error asserted, inaccurate charges.

[Chris Nero] 18:47:49

Because they are, failure to validate meter readings, failure to identify lawful creditor, which is you.

[Chris Nero] 18:47:56

failure to show that the service is not prepaid or bond.

[Chris Nero] 18:47:58

funded, and here's the… this is the killer.

[Chris Nero] 18:48:02

OMB doctrine.

[Chris Nero] 18:48:04

Utility bills requiring information, or payment must

[Chris Nero] 18:48:08

Display a valid OMB control number.

[Chris Nero] 18:48:10

And you have failed to do so. Cease…

[Chris Nero] 18:48:12

and freeze, baby.

[Chris Nero] 18:48:14

No disconnection, no more collection.

[Chris Nero] 18:48:17

No adverse reporting.

[Chris Nero] 18:48:19

And this is unresolved dispute.

[Chris Nero] 18:48:22

And the remedy?

[Chris Nero] 18:48:24

Real simple.

[Chris Nero] 18:48:26

Provide the validation, the accounting.

[Chris Nero] 18:48:29

Lawful authority, or cease all attempts.

[Chris Nero] 18:48:32

It's real easy, guys. If I'm the boss, and I'm the guy that has everything, you're gonna get it.

[Chris Nero] 18:48:38

But if you can't get it, now there's something wrong. It's that simple!

[Chris Nero] 18:48:43

Um, a lot of this is the same that I had on here, and the reason that I put it in the same manner

[Chris Nero] 18:48:51

is the redundancy?

[Chris Nero] 18:48:54

Uh, to let them see something different?

[Chris Nero] 18:48:57

You'll see the statement of facts.

[Chris Nero] 18:49:00

Uh, I received a utility bill. This is my statement.

[Chris Nero] 18:49:04

Uh, alleged payment of debt was over.

[Chris Nero] 18:49:06

I don't know if it's old.

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 18:49:06

This is why the… this was one of the ones that I sent out.

[Chris Nero] 18:49:10

Very powerful. Yes.

[Chris Nero] 18:49:13

said Bill and Sabben fail to include a complete statement of account, credit, debit, ledger, said, billing statement does not show a valid…

[Chris Nero] 18:49:20

OMB control numbers required under the paperwork Reduction Act.

[Chris Nero] 18:49:23

Uh, and you do not consent to be treated as a surety or dipty without full disclosure.

[Chris Nero] 18:49:27

Right?

[Chris Nero] 18:49:29

So…

[Chris Nero] 18:49:35

One second…

[Chris Nero] 18:49:42

All these are statements of facts. Does anybody see any arguing here?

[Chris Nero] 18:49:49

is a statement…

[Chris Nero] 18:49:51

an argument?

[Chris Nero] 18:49:54

Is a fact an argument? A fact is a true statement.

[Chris Nero] 18:49:58

And a statement is a fact.

[Chris Nero] 18:50:00

formal billing dispute, and you go back, and you…

[Chris Nero] 18:50:05

go with the full Monty again.

[Chris Nero] 18:50:08

You let them know, here's the one thing they hate the worst.

[Chris Nero] 18:50:12

the L word.

[Chris Nero] 18:50:15

Liability.

[Chris Nero] 18:50:16

They hate it.

[Chris Nero] 18:50:19

Failure to respond in good favor in 30 days constitute dishonor.

[Chris Nero] 18:50:23

Notice of default.

[Chris Nero] 18:50:24

Thank you. A notice of default…

[Chris Nero] 18:50:27

And commercial lien may follow.

[Chris Nero] 18:50:31

Along with a referral to private arbitration under Unicitral.

[Chris Nero] 18:50:34

That's the, uh, Negotiable Instruments Act.

[Chris Nero] 18:50:43

It's an acronym, United Nations…

[Chris Nero] 18:50:46

commercial, whatever, you can look at anal… can't remember everything.

[Chris Nero] 18:50:51

Um, everything that we're doing here…

[Chris Nero] 18:50:55

Is there anybody here

[Chris Nero] 18:50:57

the things that looks at this and says,

[Chris Nero] 18:51:01

This is evil.

[Chris Nero] 18:51:03

How dare we try to use this trickery?

[Chris Nero] 18:51:07

Does anybody see this as being…

[kimberlybyrd] 18:51:07

Nope.

[Chris Nero] 18:51:09

Um,

[Chris Nero] 18:51:13

um, ominous.

[Chris Nero] 18:51:15

towards somebody that we should be paying

[kimberlybyrd] 18:51:16

Nope.

[Chris Nero] 18:51:19

Uh, utilities that's free.

[Chris Nero] 18:51:26

Because I don't know how the hell we have to pay for all this crap.

[Chris Nero] 18:51:32

The billing error dispute is under UCC 9210, that's the accounting. The OMB, the Public Protection Doctrine, that's the federal

[Chris Nero] 18:51:42

Freakin' freeze!

[Chris Nero] 18:51:44

The billionaire is under 12 CFR 102613.

[Chris Nero] 18:51:50

Demand for full accounting.

[Chris Nero] 18:51:53

Debt validation.

[Chris Nero] 18:51:55

OMB PublicProtection Doctrine!

[Chris Nero] 18:52:04

This letter is tendered.

[Chris Nero] 18:52:07

Do you see what I did with that?

[Chris Nero] 18:52:09

This letter is tendered.

[Chris Nero] 18:52:15

It's over!

[Chris Nero] 18:52:20

Um, I know Damon just got in, but, um…

[Chris Nero] 18:52:24

This is for dead validation. I want you to show one more time, as an example, your… the credit you got.

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 18:52:33

Let me pull it up, give me one sec.

[damone johnson] 18:52:35

Yes, hi everybody, how y'all doing? Sorry I'm late.

[Chris Nero] 18:52:38

Come on, man. That's what you get for saving lives out there.

[Chris Nero] 18:52:44

Okay, so Raina used…

[damone johnson] 18:52:44

Thanks.

[Chris Nero] 18:52:47

this process, she had a…

[Chris Nero] 18:52:48

Shut off, 1250…

[Chris Nero] 18:52:53

She hasn't made a payment, they gave her a $400 credit,

[Chris Nero] 18:52:57

They moved…

[Chris Nero] 18:52:59

the difference, which is $850 to the balance where they

[Chris Nero] 18:53:03

they forwarded, forward.

[Chris Nero] 18:53:06

Okay, it's just like when Enron, when they…

[Chris Nero] 18:53:10

they forwarded the debt.

[Chris Nero] 18:53:13

But her next due bill is $342. That's her new bill.

[Chris Nero] 18:53:19

And then she's gonna send everything out again with this coupon.

[Chris Nero] 18:53:24

And next time we see this,

[Chris Nero] 18:53:28

It's gonna be a new number.

[Chris Nero] 18:53:33

with, um…

[Chris Nero] 18:53:37

a new credit amount.

[Chris Nero] 18:53:40

And just for the record, again,

[Chris Nero] 18:53:44

You haven't made any payments?

[Chris Nero] 18:53:49

Reyna?

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 18:53:51

I have.

[Chris Nero] 18:53:52

And you were…

[Chris Nero] 18:53:55

I remember it, I'm just… I'm not… I don't want to overemphasize it, but…

[Chris Nero] 18:53:59

You know, she was about to get shut off.

[Chris Nero] 18:54:07

So they paid it forward, paid $50.

[Chris Nero] 18:54:11

It's coming back to me. This is what Enron did. They would pay forward the debt.

[Chris Nero] 18:54:16

But it was really… they used it as credits.

[Chris Nero] 18:54:20

And that's okay.

[Chris Nero] 18:54:25

So, at some point, what we're gonna do…

[Chris Nero] 18:54:28

is we're gonna address the elephant in the room, Raina.

[Chris Nero] 18:54:33

We're gonna send… we're gonna send, um…

[Chris Nero] 18:54:36

The Federal Arbitration Act,

[Chris Nero] 18:54:41

And we're gonna cut a deal.

[Chris Nero] 18:54:43

for them.

[Chris Nero] 18:54:46

And let them, from here on,

[Chris Nero] 18:54:50

Without your author… without… you're gonna give them a power of attorney.

[Chris Nero] 18:54:55

to balance out

[Chris Nero] 18:54:59

your credits every month.

[Chris Nero] 18:55:02

Sound good?

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 18:55:04

Okay.

[Chris Nero] 18:55:07

Okay, and I'm gonna work on that letter. I should have it to you by sometime tomorrow.

[Chris Nero] 18:55:14

Okay, let's go back to that last page we were reading.

[Chris Nero] 18:55:17

the beautiful page. Yes, the beautiful, beautiful page.

[Chris Nero] 18:55:23

Billing error dispute. Why is it an error?

[Chris Nero] 18:55:25

Because it's an error, you have nothing on there is right, I'm the creditor, you're the debtor, you're taking free energy, you're not giving me anything.

[Chris Nero] 18:55:34

You don't even have an OMB, you're not even reporting this to the IRS!

[Chris Nero] 18:55:42

90-day resolution, automatic suspension default collection activity.

[Chris Nero] 18:55:46

Oh, it's a beautiful letter.

[Chris Nero] 18:55:50

Uh, so…

[Chris Nero] 18:55:53

It's the usual inaccurate charges, failure to validate that, failure to identify true creditor.

[Chris Nero] 18:55:58

failure to show prepaid and subsidized status, failure to provide lawful legend. Failure to…

[Chris Nero] 18:56:05

show meteor Accuracy. Uh, ABC Electric has not

[Chris Nero] 18:56:09

I may not disconnect service, report negatively, or collect during this dispute.

[Chris Nero] 18:56:13

This is under UCC 9210, and I guarantee you that you also have this in your state.

[Chris Nero] 18:56:20

Arizona 9210. New Jersey 9210. Pennsylvania, wherever you're at,

[Chris Nero] 18:56:27

Georgia, all that's the same, 9210.

[Chris Nero] 18:56:30

Full ledger from account opening.

[Chris Nero] 18:56:33

All charges, credits, subsidies, offsets, source of debt and creditor identity.

[Chris Nero] 18:56:38

Proof that account is not prepaid, metered testing records, rate schedule, signed contract.

[Chris Nero] 18:56:44

Wet ink signature, failure to comply constitutes dishonor and commercial default.

[Chris Nero] 18:56:48

The FDCPA collector status.

[Chris Nero] 18:56:51

Under 15 USC 1692A6.

[Chris Nero] 18:56:54

Any identity, billing, entity, billing, or collecting on behalf of another is a debt collector.

[Chris Nero] 18:57:00

Must validate all alleged debts.

[Chris Nero] 18:57:03

OMB has a public protection doctrine under 44 U.S.C. Statute 3512.

[Chris Nero] 18:57:08

No person, and we say person because every corporation

[Chris Nero] 18:57:12

Every Capital One, every, uh, mortgage company is a person may penalize

[Chris Nero] 18:57:18

be penalized for falling to… failing to respond to any information collection requests like an invalid OMB control number.

[Chris Nero] 18:57:25

No OMB number, there's no…

[Chris Nero] 18:57:28

nothing that you can enforce.

[Chris Nero] 18:57:31

And… the truth in the Billing Act.

[Chris Nero] 18:57:35

Man, this is some good shit here.

[Chris Nero] 18:57:38

15 USC1666, I mean, pardon the number.

[Chris Nero] 18:57:41

The violations, failure to identify the creditor, because we're the creditor, failure to itemize the charges.

[Chris Nero] 18:57:47

Because there are no charges. Inaccurate application to payments.

[Chris Nero] 18:57:50

Lack of transparency. Do you see what we're doing here? We're not arguing, we're making bulleted points, factual statements.

[Chris Nero] 18:57:58

We are not arguing, there's no controversy there. Prove me wrong!

[Chris Nero] 18:58:04

If you put controversy, you're gonna go into a courtroom, you're gonna lose.

[Chris Nero] 18:58:09

What you gotta be doing is getting them on breach.

[Chris Nero] 18:58:14

of contract, breach of…

[Chris Nero] 18:58:16

performance.

[Chris Nero] 18:58:18

You go and get your credit card,

[Chris Nero] 18:58:21

Run it through, and you'll see all the pitfalls.

[Chris Nero] 18:58:25

Then you can learn how to reverse that.

[Chris Nero] 18:58:27

Same thing with the utilities. Every utility company has

[Chris Nero] 18:58:30

a contract, you know what it is? The public trust.

[Chris Nero] 18:58:33

It's for your benefit. The benefit of everybody. We're the beneficiaries.

[Chris Nero] 18:58:39

So, you're telling them.

[Chris Nero] 18:58:43

You are prohibited from disconnecting service. That's what you told them, right, Raina?

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 18:58:51

Correct, Chris.

[Chris Nero] 18:58:52

Assessing penalties, sending them to collections, reporting daily, demanding payment.

[Chris Nero] 18:58:57

There's the required remedy.

[Chris Nero] 18:59:05

Marina, can you move… there you go.

[Chris Nero] 18:59:08

You are commanded to provide

[Chris Nero] 18:59:10

Um, everything that… you see how the redundancy of it?

[Chris Nero] 18:59:13

It's like when you go to court, what's your name? You go back to the same thing.

[Chris Nero] 18:59:17

Well, I'd love to answer that, but…

[Chris Nero] 18:59:20

I am who I say I am, and if I'm not who I am, then…

[Chris Nero] 18:59:25

I say I am, then who am I?

[Chris Nero] 18:59:29

And then you just, well, we need to know your name!

[Chris Nero] 18:59:34

I don't… I don't… I don't comprehend.

[Chris Nero] 18:59:38

That's why you need a lawyer. I'm pretty good.

[Chris Nero] 18:59:42

I'm pretty good, you know, presenting myself. I'm right here.

[Chris Nero] 18:59:45

There's no better… there's no…

[Chris Nero] 18:59:47

No one here that is better to present themselves with first-hand personal knowledge than me.

[Chris Nero] 18:59:56

If you don't tell me your name, I'm only… are you… sir?

[Chris Nero] 19:00:00

you have an oath of office.

[Chris Nero] 19:00:02

to the people.

[Chris Nero] 19:00:04

And I know you have a bond.

[Chris Nero] 19:00:07

Well, you're gonna… you're gonna move forward, I'm gonna… and they do the same thing. We're gonna move forward, and you're gonna go in there, and then I work out a little deal.

[Chris Nero] 19:00:14

So,

[Chris Nero] 19:00:16

You have to… you have to choose your battles in life. Now, I will tell you something.

[Chris Nero] 19:00:20

After almost 30 tickets and living in hell,

[Chris Nero] 19:00:24

Because that, you know, I gotta fight these bastards.

[Chris Nero] 19:00:29

Um, and this is just…

[Chris Nero] 19:00:31

something that I'm gonna put together in an e-book.

[Chris Nero] 19:00:35

Because it's just like utilities.

[Chris Nero] 19:00:38

You got all these people out there that are, ah, don't pay your utility, but you don't, you know, they don't tell you what to do.

[Chris Nero] 19:00:43

Here's one letter! Go use this magic letter!

[Chris Nero] 19:00:47

It's magic, look at this, it's golden.

[Chris Nero] 19:00:49

It's 100 bucks. It's golden, though.

[Chris Nero] 19:00:52

See it? Shining. Go use it.

[Chris Nero] 19:00:54

Then later on, they're like, oh, my utilities!

[Chris Nero] 19:00:58

I was very clear with Raina when we started this.

[Chris Nero] 19:01:04

You know, rain is a lawyer. She's like, let's do it.

[Chris Nero] 19:01:08

And… look.

[Chris Nero] 19:01:12

Every one of you have your own journey.

[Chris Nero] 19:01:15

If you can't, you know, be in sequence and synchronicity of this, then don't do it.

[Chris Nero] 19:01:21

Just pay your… it's okay if you want to pay your… your utilities. I'm…

[Chris Nero] 19:01:26

Power to you, man.

[Chris Nero] 19:01:28

Um, but I will say…

[Chris Nero] 19:01:35

There's this one guy that was on, I can't remember, it was just brief, and he's on there, and he's like…

[Chris Nero] 19:01:41

We're born into this world.

[Chris Nero] 19:01:43

as free. Free, free men.

[Chris Nero] 19:01:47

Then…

[Chris Nero] 19:01:49

We were supposed to have inherited all the earth.

[Chris Nero] 19:01:54

We got all the land,

[Chris Nero] 19:01:56

All the food to eat, everything on it, yet we're being charged.

[Chris Nero] 19:02:01

We're the only…

[Chris Nero] 19:02:04

I don't know if you said animal or mammal or whatever, that passed a…

[Chris Nero] 19:02:07

We're the only other animal that has to pay, just… I don't know how he said it.

[Chris Nero] 19:02:12

to eat, species to eat,

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 19:02:13

Persists

[Chris Nero] 19:02:16

to have utilities,

[Chris Nero] 19:02:19

Anything. When we have free everything.

[Chris Nero] 19:02:23

He talks about how Tesla knew.

[Chris Nero] 19:02:26

All the radio waves, and…

[Chris Nero] 19:02:28

You can connect electricity to your tree,

[Chris Nero] 19:02:33

And…

[Chris Nero] 19:02:36

Who gave these people authority?

[Chris Nero] 19:02:41

So, for those people that are like, oh, well, you know, they don't want to just… they don't want to pay their utilities, and…

[Chris Nero] 19:02:48

They should pay their utilities and be good people. Well, hey, man, that's your opinion.

[Chris Nero] 19:02:54

Me?

[Chris Nero] 19:02:58

I'm gonna… I'm not gonna take that shit.

[Chris Nero] 19:03:02

I'm not gonna live?

[Chris Nero] 19:03:04

On my knees.

[Chris Nero] 19:03:07

And before I put this together,

[Chris Nero] 19:03:10

I went through hell!

[Chris Nero] 19:03:14

I think just for fun, I'm gonna…

[Chris Nero] 19:03:16

show the pipes again, and…

[Chris Nero] 19:03:19

Where they… where they were turned up the road out there for the Southwest gas pipes, too, and…

[Chris Nero] 19:03:27

think of a picture of the porta-potty that I put in my backyard, because when they shut the water up.

[Chris Nero] 19:03:33

But I put this together so that…

[Chris Nero] 19:03:36

you know, I don't want you guys going through that, but just to go back with my thing about my tickets, just like…

[Chris Nero] 19:03:42

I want to put something together because it needs to be said, all these people that are out there that are like, oh yeah, get this, and you can do it, and…

[Chris Nero] 19:03:50

you know, all the… several people that you guys know.

[Chris Nero] 19:03:54

I've lived it.

[Chris Nero] 19:03:58

Now, I'm a true warrior, but, you know, at some point, I'm like… and I had this conversation, I think, with one of you before, like, I'm thinking about…

[Chris Nero] 19:04:06

How do I put the vehicle

[Chris Nero] 19:04:09

into the trust.

[Chris Nero] 19:04:11

and go get the trust,

[Chris Nero] 19:04:17

privately,

[Chris Nero] 19:04:19

And then get the driver's license as the trustee.

[Chris Nero] 19:04:23

Because I don't need to register the vehicle, I just need the insurance.

[Chris Nero] 19:04:28

And… and then the driver's license for the trustee.

[Chris Nero] 19:04:34

Because here's what we're up against.

[Chris Nero] 19:04:36

And again, I had this conversation.

[Chris Nero] 19:04:39

I'm gonna tell you…

[Chris Nero] 19:04:41

The most difficult foe.

[Chris Nero] 19:04:44

is ignorance and dissonance.

[Chris Nero] 19:04:48

But I will tell you, one thing I do believe now, 100%.

[Chris Nero] 19:04:52

I have a do not detain.

[Chris Nero] 19:04:56

I mean, they can try to mess with you and do all they can, but if they can't…

[Chris Nero] 19:05:01

I… and I'm just saying this out of not being…

[Chris Nero] 19:05:05

cocky, but because if you… I'm… I think 30 times, I think, you know, I have the record.

[Chris Nero] 19:05:12

probably, you know, it's ridiculous.

[Chris Nero] 19:05:17

I don't value my time.

[Chris Nero] 19:05:21

being disrupted.

[Chris Nero] 19:05:24

I'm a creature of habit.

[Chris Nero] 19:05:28

I like to keep water.

[Chris Nero] 19:05:31

And I like to keep my zen in a world.

[Chris Nero] 19:05:35

That's insane.

[Chris Nero] 19:05:38

So, when I get disrupted by some rogue…

[Chris Nero] 19:05:41

piece of crap cop.

[Chris Nero] 19:05:45

Which I put a $10 million on his bond and a claim at…

[Chris Nero] 19:05:49

Risk management, internal affairs.

[Chris Nero] 19:05:54

And a UCC1 against this badge.

[Chris Nero] 19:05:57

And the police department.

[Chris Nero] 19:06:02

They're gonna learn. I didn't want it like that.

[Chris Nero] 19:06:05

But they're bad children.

[Chris Nero] 19:06:09

And if you don't scold and…

[Chris Nero] 19:06:11

And you don't, um… you don't take care of disciplining your children?

[Chris Nero] 19:06:19

then you're gonna be one of those people that are gonna be like,

[Chris Nero] 19:06:22

somebody's gotta do it.

[Chris Nero] 19:06:25

Somebody's got to take care of this.

[Chris Nero] 19:06:27

somebody's got to fix those roads, somebody's gotta tell the government what to do, somebody…

[Chris Nero] 19:06:35

has to be us.

[Chris Nero] 19:06:39

And I don't make complaints because…

[Chris Nero] 19:06:42

You know, I chose this.

[Chris Nero] 19:06:47

But I'm also…

[Chris Nero] 19:06:51

responsible… responsible enough to say,

[Chris Nero] 19:06:55

This may not be the way.

[Chris Nero] 19:06:58

for a lot of other people out there,

[Chris Nero] 19:07:04

I don't know, I'm… I'm pretty brazen.

[Chris Nero] 19:07:08

And I've gone through this all my life, so I've earned this…

[Chris Nero] 19:07:14

confidence of being brazen, and I walk with my Creator as one.

[Chris Nero] 19:07:18

So I'm pretty confident. Pretty confident.

[Chris Nero] 19:07:22

Um, I'm not a perfect man.

[Chris Nero] 19:07:27

Uh, I don't claim to be…

[Chris Nero] 19:07:29

the best or the righteous

[Chris Nero] 19:07:32

I am no different than anybody on this platform right now.

[Chris Nero] 19:07:37

searching to be better.

[Chris Nero] 19:07:41

In every way.

[Chris Nero] 19:07:45

And there comes a time when I'm like, I'm gonna… I'm gonna work out something.

[Chris Nero] 19:07:51

And then, you know, maybe put an e-book together.

[Chris Nero] 19:07:53

based on my experiences.

[Chris Nero] 19:07:56

of, you know, don't do this, and don't do that, or this is what could happen.

[Chris Nero] 19:08:01

Because wouldn't you… wouldn't you folks rather hear the truth?

[Chris Nero] 19:08:06

Rather than, oh yeah, Nero's driving around, it's cool, he's got the USDOT, cops pulled him over, he drives off…

[Chris Nero] 19:08:16

Who cares?

[Chris Nero] 19:08:19

I want peace of mind.

[Chris Nero] 19:08:24

I'm not trying… I'm not trying to be cool.

[Chris Nero] 19:08:25

But I thought that it was… in my mind, I still believe it's the best to stay off and not be registered.

[Chris Nero] 19:08:31

But then, doing my research, you don't have to have your vehicle registered.

[Chris Nero] 19:08:37

And you can put it into a private trust,

[Chris Nero] 19:08:40

And, you know, and now I have to go down to see if I can get the driver's license as the trustee.

[Chris Nero] 19:08:51

Choose your battles.

[Chris Nero] 19:08:54

This is why I have each one of you doing something different.

[Chris Nero] 19:09:00

Mortgages…

[Chris Nero] 19:09:03

Uh, cars…

[Chris Nero] 19:09:09

Um, Luke…

[Chris Nero] 19:09:12

Knowing the auction?

[Chris Nero] 19:09:14

Um, and, you know, I'm trying to finish some stuff up for Kimberly and hers.

[Chris Nero] 19:09:19

There's a lot of things that we're doing as a group

[Chris Nero] 19:09:24

And… I want to do that class action.

[Chris Nero] 19:09:28

I'm going to put it together.

[Chris Nero] 19:09:30

Because there's no reason why…

[Chris Nero] 19:09:34

we need to… somebody's gotta do it. Somebody's gotta stand up to corporate united…

[Chris Nero] 19:09:40

state, somebody's got to tell them that they can't pee…

[Chris Nero] 19:09:42

You know, enslave us and tell us what we have to do, because there's just no way.

[Chris Nero] 19:09:47

You gotta live in the matrix, you gotta learn how to operate with a straw man, you gotta do it!

[Chris Nero] 19:09:53

It's bullshit.

[Chris Nero] 19:09:56

You can't compel performance. The law does not allow impossibilities.

[Chris Nero] 19:10:03

That's the maximums of law.

[Chris Nero] 19:10:06

And it's actually in Latin.

[Chris Nero] 19:10:15

So we have to start…

[Chris Nero] 19:10:18

being…

[Chris Nero] 19:10:21

responsible stockholders.

[Chris Nero] 19:10:25

And we will be attacked.

[Chris Nero] 19:10:27

And I'm not saying that to claim it,

[Chris Nero] 19:10:29

I will also be the first to say that I would like to make that statement into

[Chris Nero] 19:10:35

reverse manifestation.

[Chris Nero] 19:10:39

Uh, you're always going to declare and notarize and whatever you can, because that's what you want. Declaration.

[Chris Nero] 19:10:48

uh, redundancy. The offiance status.

[Chris Nero] 19:10:51

You are the living man. You are the living woman, you are the executor, you are…

[Chris Nero] 19:10:57

in charge of the private estate. Why? Because they have your private freaking estate, and they're making the claim on your behalf!

[Chris Nero] 19:11:10

I'm gonna tell you folks.

[Chris Nero] 19:11:12

Everyone that's here.

[Chris Nero] 19:11:14

I'm… I haven't showed you everything.

[Chris Nero] 19:11:18

I haven't showed you everything. Haven't showed you the options.

[Chris Nero] 19:11:23

or the cars.

[Chris Nero] 19:11:26

But this group…

[Chris Nero] 19:11:29

It's blossoming.

[Chris Nero] 19:11:33

You're not going to go to another platform. And I don't… and honestly, listen, I don't care who goes where.

[Chris Nero] 19:11:38

You go, it's a free country. This isn't Russia.

[Chris Nero] 19:11:42

You go wherever the hell you want.

[Chris Nero] 19:11:44

But you're not going to see somebody pull up

[Chris Nero] 19:11:48

Oh, it's only, uh… it's only a little utility with the $400 credit.

[Chris Nero] 19:11:56

If that's all you see, you're missing the point.

[Chris Nero] 19:12:02

Because, you know what you folks are gonna see in the next…

[Chris Nero] 19:12:06

month, you're gonna see…

[Chris Nero] 19:12:08

Kim, get her properties.

[Chris Nero] 19:12:13

You're gonna see Raina get her property.

[Chris Nero] 19:12:17

In her vehicle.

[Chris Nero] 19:12:18

or a big check.

[Chris Nero] 19:12:22

And I claimed that 100%.

[Chris Nero] 19:12:26

Because I know the law, and I believe it, and I know what everything that we've done firsthand.

[Chris Nero] 19:12:31

And they've applied themselves to the letter.

[Chris Nero] 19:12:35

great students.

[Chris Nero] 19:12:37

And Luke, we're going to be doing the same thing.

[Chris Nero] 19:12:41

And by the way, Damon, I put out some

[Chris Nero] 19:12:45

1099s, you can look over, miscellaneous, how…

[Chris Nero] 19:12:47

We'll discuss that next week.

[Chris Nero] 19:12:50

The 1099, um, how you can pay yourself as a trustee.

[Chris Nero] 19:12:54

You're all trustees!

[damone johnson] 19:12:56

Pop it out.

[Chris Nero] 19:12:57

Use the 1099NEC!

[Chris Nero] 19:13:02

The 1099-DIV!

[Chris Nero] 19:13:07

You can pay yourself $10,000 a month on extra… and just follow that platform.

[Chris Nero] 19:13:13

And we'll discuss that next week.

[Chris Nero] 19:13:16

I just, you know, I know Damon was like, come on, man.

[Chris Nero] 19:13:20

Come on, Nero.

[Chris Nero] 19:13:23

put it out there.

[damone johnson] 19:13:25

I just saw the list, you know what I mean? I just want to, you know, make sure we had all the, uh… all the 1099s on there.

[Chris Nero] 19:13:31

Come on, Damona. I've known you for a long time.

[damone johnson] 19:13:34

I don't know.

[Chris Nero] 19:13:35

So, but we're going to discuss them because…

[Chris Nero] 19:13:38

Each one of you, whether, you know, you all have a trust,

[Chris Nero] 19:13:45

And you can pay yourself trustee fees.

[Chris Nero] 19:13:49

So, if you go over those,

[Chris Nero] 19:13:52

And just, you know, they're a little, you know, it's a synopsis.

[Chris Nero] 19:13:55

Then, next week, when we come in…

[Chris Nero] 19:13:59

Uh, we'll discuss it a little bit more.

[Chris Nero] 19:14:02

Oh, there's trust. Okay, so you see how my trust?

[Chris Nero] 19:14:06

That's my LLC, Northstar.

[Chris Nero] 19:14:10

So, the contrast… the trust controls the asset strategy, right?

[Chris Nero] 19:14:14

Uh, Norstar provides the management and operational services

[Chris Nero] 19:14:19

for the property assets, see?

[Chris Nero] 19:14:22

So the trust, my trust, like…

[Chris Nero] 19:14:24

Let me show you.

[Chris Nero] 19:14:29

This is all private.

[Chris Nero] 19:14:35

So this is a property.

[Chris Nero] 19:14:38

that's recorded.

[Chris Nero] 19:14:41

And it's private.

[Chris Nero] 19:14:43

You see that?

[Chris Nero] 19:14:45

A little bit…

[Chris Nero] 19:14:49

Too close?

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 19:14:51

Yeah, we can see.

[Chris Nero] 19:14:55

And inside of it,

[Chris Nero] 19:15:00

is the warranty deed.

[Chris Nero] 19:15:01

This is a private.

[Chris Nero] 19:15:05

She has this warranty deed?

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 19:15:12

Yeah.

[Chris Nero] 19:15:12

You'll see it?

[Chris Nero] 19:15:16

And then…

[Jason Ibarra] 19:15:17

Warranty. I don't see it says warranty deed. announced that the… For days and so long. Oh, how do you… but how do you determine that?

[Chris Nero] 19:15:22

This is the acknowledgement of the warranty deed.

[Chris Nero] 19:15:29

Well, I'm getting to it, Ibarra.

[Jason Ibarra] 19:15:30

Okay. Oh, I thought you said… I thought you said there's warranty deed on there. I think you're on the wrong… Is that on the second page?

[Chris Nero] 19:15:38

No, the warranty deed was the page that I…

[Chris Nero] 19:15:41

Obviously, you didn't see.

[Jason Ibarra] 19:15:41

Okay. Oh, it's all… it's been on page 1 for me the whole time.

[Chris Nero] 19:15:51

You see it?

[Jason Ibarra] 19:15:54

Still page one for me, I don't know if anybody else… sees it.

[Chris Nero] 19:15:59

Okay, but do you see it?

[Jason Ibarra] 19:16:02

You know, so I've seen something like that, right?

[kimberlybyrd] 19:16:02

I can see it on the side.

[Chris Nero] 19:16:06

Okay, so that's the warranty deed.

[Jason Ibarra] 19:16:06

Point is, we don't…

[Chris Nero] 19:16:12

the cover. And then this is…

[Chris Nero] 19:16:15

The warranty deed, the actual warranty deed. You guys see that?

[Jason Ibarra] 19:16:19

And… We've done everything.

[Chris Nero] 19:16:23

Can you see it?

[Jason Ibarra] 19:16:27

You gotta understand that that name on the merch list.

[Chris Nero] 19:16:28

Yes?

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 19:16:30

Yeah, I'll see it.

[Jason Ibarra] 19:16:31

Oh yeah, sort of.

[Chris Nero] 19:16:39

No?

[Chris Nero] 19:16:46

No?

[Jason Ibarra] 19:16:46

Sorry, I can barely… I don't know what they're seeing, but I can't see.

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 19:16:49

Yeah, we can see

[Chris Nero] 19:16:51

Hey, come on and borrow, speak up!

[Chris Nero] 19:16:59

Okay, so… and then this?

[Jason Ibarra] 19:17:00

Sorry.

[Chris Nero] 19:17:02

is the promissory note.

[Chris Nero] 19:17:05

In bond paper. And you always keep the original.

[Chris Nero] 19:17:10

You guys see that?

[Jason Ibarra] 19:17:14

Promissary note.

[Chris Nero] 19:17:16

You see it?

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 19:17:17

Yep. Yep.

[Chris Nero] 19:17:19

All right. So…

[Chris Nero] 19:17:23

This property…

[Chris Nero] 19:17:26

is owned by, and let's see, which one is this?

[Chris Nero] 19:17:34

Yeah, see, this is Northstar.

[Chris Nero] 19:17:37

So, you can see right here,

[Chris Nero] 19:17:40

Northstar 9?

[Chris Nero] 19:17:42

This is a private.

[Chris Nero] 19:17:45

See, North Star 9 bought it.

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 19:17:50

Yep, we can see.

[Chris Nero] 19:17:52

Jason, can you see?

[Jason Ibarra] 19:17:57

Uh…

[Chris Nero] 19:17:58

Back? Closer?

[Jason Ibarra] 19:18:01

Okay, well, am I trying to see something specific? I just see… Oh, no, I don't see that.

[Chris Nero] 19:18:05

Northstar! Northstar!

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 19:18:09

The second line, Ibara, after warranty to… Uh, the, the second line.

[Jason Ibarra] 19:18:15

Yeah, just coming in super blurry, so I'm not gonna see anything.

[Chris Nero] 19:18:21

All right. So anyhow…

[Jason Ibarra] 19:18:22

Yeah.

[Chris Nero] 19:18:22

The point I'm trying to make is that

[Chris Nero] 19:18:26

See, North Star…

[Chris Nero] 19:18:32

is going to get paid by the trust.

[Chris Nero] 19:18:36

Because…

[Chris Nero] 19:18:38

The trust…

[Chris Nero] 19:18:41

owns it.

[Chris Nero] 19:18:43

And… Northstar provides management, operational services.

[Chris Nero] 19:18:49

So, the payment is compensation for services.

[Chris Nero] 19:18:54

Not a distribution or return of principal.

[Chris Nero] 19:18:58

Why the Form 1099-NEC is used? Because the NEC is required because Northstar is not an employee of the trust.

[Chris Nero] 19:19:06

and is being paid for service payments, so I can create, you know, $10,000 a month.

[Chris Nero] 19:19:14

A written management service agreement that I put together, which, right there on the security agreement.

[Chris Nero] 19:19:20

I call it an offer and agreement.

[Chris Nero] 19:19:22

Okay, so that exists. Next.

[Chris Nero] 19:19:30

So, you have the payer, which is the CKS Trust,

[Chris Nero] 19:19:36

Which is my trust.

[Chris Nero] 19:19:38

Then you put my EIN on there.

[Chris Nero] 19:19:40

The service provider is Northstar with their EIN.

[Chris Nero] 19:19:46

Box 1 is non-employment compensation, $10,000. Box 4.

[Chris Nero] 19:19:51

is zero.

[Chris Nero] 19:19:52

Okay? Next.

[Chris Nero] 19:19:58

So, how the trust reports the payments on the Form 1041.

[Chris Nero] 19:20:03

The trust reports the $10,000 paid to Northstar as an administration of management expenses on the Form 1041.

[Chris Nero] 19:20:11

This reduces the trust,

[Chris Nero] 19:20:13

taxable income.

[Chris Nero] 19:20:15

Now, the trust is a non-profit, so there's not any taxes just to get to that point.

[Chris Nero] 19:20:21

Uh, the expense line will be the description.

[Chris Nero] 19:20:25

on the 1041 line. Management, administrative, expense, $10,000.

[Chris Nero] 19:20:30

Uh, the payment is not a distribution, it's not a dividend, it's not rent, that's why we're not using a DIV.

[Chris Nero] 19:20:38

Full reporting flow. Northstar provides the services. The trust pays the management fee.

[Chris Nero] 19:20:44

The 1099NEC issued Box 1. Northstar reports income, trust deducts, expense,

[Chris Nero] 19:20:51

Final rule. Whoever pays the services issues, the 1099-NEC, regardless of who owns the property.

[Chris Nero] 19:21:02

And this is a little synopsis.

[Chris Nero] 19:21:04

that obviously we will be going into more that has to do with the 1041.

[Chris Nero] 19:21:09

So, you see…

[Chris Nero] 19:21:11

Go ahead.

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 19:21:11

Okay. So I have a question. So, uh, several questions. So, the… company have to be registered with the state, correct?

[Chris Nero] 19:21:22

Um…

[Chris Nero] 19:21:26

This is why I tell everybody,

[Chris Nero] 19:21:30

to create an LLC,

[Chris Nero] 19:21:34

in your name.

[Chris Nero] 19:21:37

and trademark and copyrighted.

[Chris Nero] 19:21:40

And then…

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 19:21:42

For example, I do have my… when I used to do my, like, uh, soaps and candles.

[Chris Nero] 19:21:48

Yes, you can do that.

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 19:21:49

Um, and I pulled it out. I did put it under my non-UCC and all the documents we sent to the Treasury and everything.

[Chris Nero] 19:21:58

No, you can use that. You can use it because everything's in the trust, folks.

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 19:22:04

Right. Okay.

[Chris Nero] 19:22:06

your LLC, don't get caught up into, like, oh, it's a…

[Chris Nero] 19:22:09

I'm only using this because even your LLC is connected to your social.

[Reina Martha Cornelio Martinez] 19:22:16

That's correct, yes.

[Chris Nero] 19:22:17

And you…

[Chris Nero] 19:22:19

As a trustee, are getting paid under the social. That's your EIN.

[kimberlybyrd] 19:22:24

So it doesn't have to be in your name, the LLC.

[Chris Nero] 19:22:26

No.

[kimberlybyrd] 19:22:28

Okay, it could be any LLC.

[Chris Nero] 19:22:30

No, the LLC…

[Chris Nero] 19:22:33

can be any LLC, but…

[Chris Nero] 19:22:39

For argument's sake,

[kimberlybyrd] 19:22:39

Mm-hmm.

[Chris Nero] 19:22:39

Because I have…

[Chris Nero] 19:22:45

I have 7 LLCs.

[kimberlybyrd] 19:22:48

Okay.

[Chris Nero] 19:22:50

And I like to control my own destiny.

[Chris Nero] 19:22:55

But as I do for many of you,

[Chris Nero] 19:22:58

I'm able to step in on assignment.

[Chris Nero] 19:23:01

That's all the courts are doing.

[Chris Nero] 19:23:03

Those attorneys are not attorneys.

[Chris Nero] 19:23:07

They're debt collectors.

[Chris Nero] 19:23:09

And they've been assigned the debt.

[Chris Nero] 19:23:14

And that's why they're foreign.

[Chris Nero] 19:23:18

That's why the court will always give you

[Chris Nero] 19:23:22

mediation or arbitration.

[Chris Nero] 19:23:25

Because they can't let them come into that territory.

[Chris Nero] 19:23:32

You may think…

[Chris Nero] 19:23:34

that when you're sitting, Ibaro with that group, that those so-called attorneys, debt collectors,

[Chris Nero] 19:23:40

that you're in Georgia.

[Chris Nero] 19:23:44

But their territory might be in…

[Chris Nero] 19:23:47

For all we know, Russia.

[Chris Nero] 19:23:50

And you're sitting there thinking you're in that room, and…

[Chris Nero] 19:23:54

Georgia.

[Chris Nero] 19:23:58

But you're really in Russia!

[Jason Ibarra] 19:24:01

Well, I was in Zoom. Russia.

[Chris Nero] 19:24:05

All I'm saying is that…

[Jason Ibarra] 19:24:05

Russian Zoom.

[Chris Nero] 19:24:07

you don't know what the territory is.

[Jason Ibarra] 19:24:10

No. No, and they don't even… the weird thing is, they… you're not really technically all in the same room. They keep going back and forth because they… you can't have any proof.

[Chris Nero] 19:24:21

I watched a movie before…

[Chris Nero] 19:24:23

now it's unlike Divine. I watched a movie, I watched it by mistake. It was some…

[Chris Nero] 19:24:31

kid…

[Chris Nero] 19:24:33

Japanese Asian movie.

[Chris Nero] 19:24:36

And the kid…

[Chris Nero] 19:24:40

they were throwing rings everywhere, and these rings had power, but they were chosen.

[Chris Nero] 19:24:44

And, uh…

[Chris Nero] 19:24:48

There was a djinn.

[Chris Nero] 19:24:50

And they didn't have a choice.

[Chris Nero] 19:24:54

they had to fight to the death.

[Chris Nero] 19:24:57

And the bad guy…

[Chris Nero] 19:25:01

had one last shot, and he…

[Chris Nero] 19:25:04

he, uh…

[Chris Nero] 19:25:07

He asked a question, like, how many people in the vicinity

[Chris Nero] 19:25:11

within this squared end, this squared end are…

[Chris Nero] 19:25:15

Uh, what's the population?

[Chris Nero] 19:25:20

And he knew it was a trick question.

[Chris Nero] 19:25:23

And the room was really getting cold.

[Chris Nero] 19:25:28

And… it was so cold, they were freezing.

[Chris Nero] 19:25:32

to death.

[Chris Nero] 19:25:34

And he figured out…

[Chris Nero] 19:25:38

that if he said whatever that population was, like, you know, 100 million or whatever, 10,000, whatever it was, 100,000…

[Chris Nero] 19:25:45

He would be wrong.

[Chris Nero] 19:25:48

Because he felt like…

[Chris Nero] 19:25:51

This doesn't feel like, you know, Tokyo.

[Chris Nero] 19:25:55

Why is it so freaking cold?

[Chris Nero] 19:25:58

And then…

[Chris Nero] 19:26:01

they let the sprinkler systems on with… because they started the fire.

[Chris Nero] 19:26:06

And… the hologram started going down.

[Chris Nero] 19:26:11

And as he looked outside, they were in the Appalachian Mountains.

[Chris Nero] 19:26:17

I don't know if I said the right. Appalachian Mountains.

[Chris Nero] 19:26:19

Uh, in the Alps.

[Chris Nero] 19:26:23

he didn't know he had been…

[Chris Nero] 19:26:27

transported, right?

[Chris Nero] 19:26:29

And because they were transported,

[Chris Nero] 19:26:32

it was a different territory.

[Chris Nero] 19:26:36

And we all think that when we go into a courtroom,

[Chris Nero] 19:26:40

that the court…

[Chris Nero] 19:26:43

is, um…

[Chris Nero] 19:26:46

you know, it's a place of law and all this.

[Chris Nero] 19:26:50

they're ships.

[Chris Nero] 19:26:52

You are a citizenship.

[Chris Nero] 19:26:55

And they are the guardian.

[Chris Nero] 19:26:58

ship.

[Chris Nero] 19:27:00

And you're in there,

[Chris Nero] 19:27:03

And it's all about Wiccans.

[Chris Nero] 19:27:06

And spells!

[Chris Nero] 19:27:10

And all of the language that they're calling, the Anglo-Saxon,

[Chris Nero] 19:27:15

is the angelical language that is never in the now, but always in the future, could be, would be.

[Chris Nero] 19:27:20

And we're creating all these things, and…

[Chris Nero] 19:27:23

We're lost.

[Chris Nero] 19:27:25

Because as soon as you walk into there,

[Chris Nero] 19:27:28

The gallows, it's just… all the water, your dad…

[Chris Nero] 19:27:32

You're in your coffin!

[Chris Nero] 19:27:36

And you don't even know what the hell hit you, and everybody's going there,

[Chris Nero] 19:27:39

I'm this, I'm that. I've already learned that when I go in there, every time I go into a courtroom, it's different.

[Chris Nero] 19:27:46

It's a different adversary.

[Chris Nero] 19:27:48

I gotta be on my toes. Boom. Be on my toes, alright.

[Chris Nero] 19:27:52

Not arguing, like I did last time. No, no, no, no, no, no, I'm gonna go inside here, this is the way it's gonna be.

[Chris Nero] 19:27:57

Just like that.

[Chris Nero] 19:27:59

Because you get to that point where you realize they don't have the power,

[Chris Nero] 19:28:03

Nah, I even freaking argue with them.

[Chris Nero] 19:28:05

I'm a man, I'm this, I'm that, all that shit.

[Chris Nero] 19:28:08

believe me.

[Chris Nero] 19:28:10

Doesn't work.

[Chris Nero] 19:28:13

But what works…

[Chris Nero] 19:28:15

This is how you handle yourself, and that comes with educating experience and everything.

[Chris Nero] 19:28:20

That's why a lot of these people out here, they're just…

[Chris Nero] 19:28:23

you know, vomiting all this stuff out to everybody out there and selling it.

[Chris Nero] 19:28:31

Um, they're not in the… they're not in… they're not in the… in any of the, uh, courtrooms.

[Chris Nero] 19:28:36

Uh, they're not asking for oats of office.

[Chris Nero] 19:28:40

Uh, their net asking for bonds.

[Chris Nero] 19:28:46

I'm just pointing out the facts, I'm not tooting my horn.

[Chris Nero] 19:28:53

I don't see anybody fighting…

[Chris Nero] 19:28:56

the City Council.

[Chris Nero] 19:29:01

or trying to make a stand.

[Chris Nero] 19:29:03

But that said, I don't recommend that to any of you right now.

[Chris Nero] 19:29:08

You need to… the reason that I'm able to tell you this is because nobody else is going to tell you the truth.

[Chris Nero] 19:29:14

focus on what you're doing, get yourself some

[Chris Nero] 19:29:17

some Matrix money.

[Chris Nero] 19:29:20

And then…

[Chris Nero] 19:29:22

We start doing some moves.

[Chris Nero] 19:29:24

Every one of us needs to start asking our judges for oaths of office.